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	<title>Comments on: How to Fix a Leaky Shower Drain &#8211; Part 4</title>
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		<title>By: ATechGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.handymanhowto.com/2009/06/14/how-to-fix-a-leaky-shower-drain-part-4/#comment-5377</link>
		<dc:creator>ATechGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2013 18:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob,

That has to be about the best how-to article I&#039;ve seen written. And having the issue with the threads shows the readers that it&#039;s important to bring the drain part along to the hardware store when looking for the gasket as well.

Thanks for the great article. Pictures meant SO much in the explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>That has to be about the best how-to article I&#8217;ve seen written. And having the issue with the threads shows the readers that it&#8217;s important to bring the drain part along to the hardware store when looking for the gasket as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great article. Pictures meant SO much in the explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing!

The Lasco &quot;The &quot;Do&#039;s and Don&#039;ts&quot; of Assembling Threaded Plastic Fittings&quot; is a nice scientific explanation of stress on threaded plastic pipe joints and the differences between teflon tape, pipe dope and sealant. 

As far as using the Oatey or Rectorseal it appears these products are mainly intended for supply-side plumbing for gases, liquids, commercial (e.g. fire sprinkler systems) and food-grade applications. In contrast, a threaded shower drain really requires no thread sealant because any water that gets past the shower drain body goes down the drain. The vertical slots in the drain body threads is there to facilitate this drainage. 

Many shower drain manufacturers simply advise to caulk the drain rim to prevent it from backing out with no plumber&#039;s putty or sealant on the drain body threads. Do always follow the manufacturer&#039;s instructions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
<p>The Lasco &#8220;The &#8220;Do&#8217;s and Don&#8217;ts&#8221; of Assembling Threaded Plastic Fittings&#8221; is a nice scientific explanation of stress on threaded plastic pipe joints and the differences between teflon tape, pipe dope and sealant. </p>
<p>As far as using the Oatey or Rectorseal it appears these products are mainly intended for supply-side plumbing for gases, liquids, commercial (e.g. fire sprinkler systems) and food-grade applications. In contrast, a threaded shower drain really requires no thread sealant because any water that gets past the shower drain body goes down the drain. The vertical slots in the drain body threads is there to facilitate this drainage. </p>
<p>Many shower drain manufacturers simply advise to caulk the drain rim to prevent it from backing out with no plumber&#8217;s putty or sealant on the drain body threads. Do always follow the manufacturer&#8217;s instructions.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Witten</title>
		<link>http://www.handymanhowto.com/2009/06/14/how-to-fix-a-leaky-shower-drain-part-4/#comment-3803</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Witten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found LASCO&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lascofittings.com/supportcenter/TheDosandDontsThreadedPlastic.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion of thread sealants for plastic threaded fittings&lt;/a&gt; to be instructive; I wonder whether it wouldn&#039;t be better to use something like Oatey&#039;s &quot;Great White Pipe Joint Compound with PTFE&quot; or Rectorseal&#039;s &quot;T plus 2 pipe thread sealant&quot; around the threads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found LASCO&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lascofittings.com/supportcenter/TheDosandDontsThreadedPlastic.asp" rel="nofollow">discussion of thread sealants for plastic threaded fittings</a> to be instructive; I wonder whether it wouldn&#8217;t be better to use something like Oatey&#8217;s &#8220;Great White Pipe Joint Compound with PTFE&#8221; or Rectorseal&#8217;s &#8220;T plus 2 pipe thread sealant&#8221; around the threads.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, for all the great info. I am installing a new shower without access to the drain pipes once the floor is installed and have really been going slowly as I do not want to have any problems and your forum has eased my mind a lot. I will pass this link to my home repair buddies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, for all the great info. I am installing a new shower without access to the drain pipes once the floor is installed and have really been going slowly as I do not want to have any problems and your forum has eased my mind a lot. I will pass this link to my home repair buddies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should or at least be very similar. You need to determine the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.siouxchief.com/Drainage/ResidentialDrainage/ShowerDrain&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;type of shower drain&lt;/a&gt; and go from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should or at least be very similar. You need to determine the <a href="http://www.siouxchief.com/Drainage/ResidentialDrainage/ShowerDrain" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">type of shower drain</a> and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My client&#039;s shower is either a custom vinyl pan or a lead pan... would this fix work in that case?  thanks,  j]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My client&#8217;s shower is either a custom vinyl pan or a lead pan&#8230; would this fix work in that case?  thanks,  j</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s good news! 

There was probably some dirt or roughness between the plastic anti-friction ring and the mouth of the drain body that was causing your leak. The anti-friction ring is fairly rigid and couldn&#039;t flex enough to make a watertight seal. Removing the anti-friction enabled the black rubber gasket to seat directly against the shower drain body and &quot;flow around&quot; the dirt or roughness to seal completely.

Instead of patching the drywall, you might consider installing a snap-in plastic access panel - it&#039;ll be quicker, way less work and available if you ever need to get at the plumbing. Home Depot and Lowes have several different sizes. See the &lt;a href=&quot;http://test.plumbest.com/files/jsc_downloads/specsheets/a04-006.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SNAP-EASE Access Panel&lt;/a&gt; about 1/2 down the page in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.handymanhowto.com/2008/11/15/stopping-water-pipes-from-freezing-and-bursting/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.magnapanel.com/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MagnaPanel&lt;/a&gt; magnetically attached panel system probably isn&#039;t the best for a drywall ceiling, but really nice for tiled or wood surfaces with visible joint lines. You can see it first hand if you visit a contractor tile supply store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good news! </p>
<p>There was probably some dirt or roughness between the plastic anti-friction ring and the mouth of the drain body that was causing your leak. The anti-friction ring is fairly rigid and couldn&#8217;t flex enough to make a watertight seal. Removing the anti-friction enabled the black rubber gasket to seat directly against the shower drain body and &#8220;flow around&#8221; the dirt or roughness to seal completely.</p>
<p>Instead of patching the drywall, you might consider installing a snap-in plastic access panel &#8211; it&#8217;ll be quicker, way less work and available if you ever need to get at the plumbing. Home Depot and Lowes have several different sizes. See the <a href="http://test.plumbest.com/files/jsc_downloads/specsheets/a04-006.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SNAP-EASE Access Panel</a> about 1/2 down the page in <a href="http://www.handymanhowto.com/2008/11/15/stopping-water-pipes-from-freezing-and-bursting/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.magnapanel.com/index.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">MagnaPanel</a> magnetically attached panel system probably isn&#8217;t the best for a drywall ceiling, but really nice for tiled or wood surfaces with visible joint lines. You can see it first hand if you visit a contractor tile supply store.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry McMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much Bob, I tried this and so far there is no leak, I held the pipe in place while another threaded the drain back in. So far no leak. I am going to watch it for about a week before I patch the ceiling. Your info photos are really great, the drywall instruction has taken all the intimidation out of fixing it. Thanks again for your dedication to this wonderful site! Sincerely Jerry McMillan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Bob, I tried this and so far there is no leak, I held the pipe in place while another threaded the drain back in. So far no leak. I am going to watch it for about a week before I patch the ceiling. Your info photos are really great, the drywall instruction has taken all the intimidation out of fixing it. Thanks again for your dedication to this wonderful site! Sincerely Jerry McMillan</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A slightly off center (say 1/8&quot; or less) black rubber gasket shouldn&#039;t be a problem. The anti-friction &quot;plastic gasket&quot; that goes underneath the black rubber gasket is probably the source of the leak. I&#039;ve always been a bit wary if those cardboard- or plastic anti-friction gaskets really make a water tight seal because that&#039;s the job of the black rubber gasket which flexes and squeezes out to seal all voids. The purpose of the anti-friction gasket is to prevent torquing (i.e. twisting) the PVC drain pipe as you screw in and tighten the drain body. I personally won&#039;t use any drain body with a cardboard gasket because water eventually wicks through it causing it to dissolve and fall apart, thereby loosening the joint and inviting a leak.

Try this: If you can get your hands on the shower drain pipe under the shower pan - perhaps through a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.handymanhowto.com/2009/01/11/fixing-a-leaky-shower/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;plumbing access panel&lt;/a&gt; or from an unfinished basement - have a helper hold the drain pipe while you install the shower drain body without the anti-friction gasket using only the black rubber gasket. Holding the drain pipe will prevent it from twisting and getting stressed. If you can&#039;t get to the drain pipe to hold it, install the black rubber gasket by itself and closely watch the inside of drain pipe while you tighten the drain body to ensure you&#039;re not noticeably twisting the drain pipe. The drain body only needs to be tight enough to firmly squeeze but not crush the black rubber gasket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slightly off center (say 1/8&#8243; or less) black rubber gasket shouldn&#8217;t be a problem. The anti-friction &#8220;plastic gasket&#8221; that goes underneath the black rubber gasket is probably the source of the leak. I&#8217;ve always been a bit wary if those cardboard- or plastic anti-friction gaskets really make a water tight seal because that&#8217;s the job of the black rubber gasket which flexes and squeezes out to seal all voids. The purpose of the anti-friction gasket is to prevent torquing (i.e. twisting) the PVC drain pipe as you screw in and tighten the drain body. I personally won&#8217;t use any drain body with a cardboard gasket because water eventually wicks through it causing it to dissolve and fall apart, thereby loosening the joint and inviting a leak.</p>
<p>Try this: If you can get your hands on the shower drain pipe under the shower pan &#8211; perhaps through a <a href="http://www.handymanhowto.com/2009/01/11/fixing-a-leaky-shower/" rel="nofollow">plumbing access panel</a> or from an unfinished basement &#8211; have a helper hold the drain pipe while you install the shower drain body without the anti-friction gasket using only the black rubber gasket. Holding the drain pipe will prevent it from twisting and getting stressed. If you can&#8217;t get to the drain pipe to hold it, install the black rubber gasket by itself and closely watch the inside of drain pipe while you tighten the drain body to ensure you&#8217;re not noticeably twisting the drain pipe. The drain body only needs to be tight enough to firmly squeeze but not crush the black rubber gasket.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry McMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Bob,

This is a great forum thank you. I followed the directions laid out on the last 4 pages. My drain still leaks, I noticed that the black gasket is not centered and is sticking out on one side. Would this be the problem? If so how can I center it while tightening the drain. I have the plastic gasket underneath the rubber one. Any help is appreciated thank you and Happy New Year. Jerry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bob,</p>
<p>This is a great forum thank you. I followed the directions laid out on the last 4 pages. My drain still leaks, I noticed that the black gasket is not centered and is sticking out on one side. Would this be the problem? If so how can I center it while tightening the drain. I have the plastic gasket underneath the rubber one. Any help is appreciated thank you and Happy New Year. Jerry</p>
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